In which anna copy and pastes a lengthy argument that she found interesting but thinks everyone else might not.
Me and Dave (from acerbia) had this long argument yesterday.
It may not be interesting, and I’m aware not many will agree with me, but i wanted to keep it somewhere.
This was the dilbert argument;
dave: re:apple eating, check out Dilbert.com
anna: i don’t like dilbert. he’s a minion of The Man…
dave: begrudgingly
anna:sent to keep the masses in their place. As a cartoon, he represents the unchangable nature of work and life
dave: certainly not, he’s the voice of dissent that goes unheeded
anna: he evil.
anna: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil
dave:: you’re delusional. By projecting your own fears of a stable workplace onto cartoon characters you intensify your own inability to commit yourself to working for the man
anna:by displaying his constant impotency and lack of control over his work environment, decisions and, effectively, his life, dilbert sends the message that we - by identifying with him - are safe and should be
comfortable in our ineptitude. No one represents cowtowing to the man and to our prescribed place in society like dilbert
anna: he should be shot.
dave: I suppose you think Snoopy was a fascist
dave: Dilbert displays that despite the best efforts of the
individual, working within the system will inevitably wear you down and that only by preserving a sense of humor can you hope to survive it all. He displays hope. He should be commended.
anna: hope? HOPE? Hope - that you, yes you, can develop a sense of humour, as you’ll need to because you’re never going to see any of your hopes and dreams, live up to your aspirations, or get out from the rock that you’re meant to be under…
oh right, *that* kind of hope.
dave: Dilbert exists in a non-time and space dimension however. Sure you may have been reading him for years but the passage of time isn’t the same in comics. Garfield would be a little mound of dust on a grave if
comic time was real time. The X-Men would all be Ex-men
anna: that’s not an argument. The timeless nature of dilbert simply increases the
problem.
dave: you’re making out that Dilbert is a perpetual loser because he never progresses in time
anna: for dilbert, nothing ever moves on, not even time
dave: but people evolve into and out of liking Dilbert depending on their situation. When I was a kid I liked Peanuts even though I couldn’t understand it. I grew up faster than Linus and Sally and into Dilbert, where I can sympathise with the absurdities of the workplace with him. But when I move into some other part of the career-ladder, maybe as a writer, I won’t have that same empathy
anna: You’re Saying ‘I don’t like it because I don’t understand it’? It’s not dostoyevsky, dave, it’s dilbert.
dave: I’m saying that you dislike it because it shows you what’s to come
anna: no it doesn’t, it shows me the way things are and how people are so easily suckered into accepting and feeling comfortable with it. It makes me sad. he should be shot
dave: you’re basing your perception of reality on a comic strip
character. Dilbert is a parody extrapolated out of years of working
in a corporate structure, it is not a mirror image of reality
anna: look, i’m not basing my perception of reality on a cartoon
strip. If I was going to do that, i’d pick calvin and hobbes. I’m just saying that I’m rejecting the reality that dilbert enforces.
dave: because he works for “the man”
anna: i’m rejecting the fact that he is no longer a ‘parody’,
but a representative of how people expect to feel.
dave:: you think people can be told how to act by a comic strip?
anna: no, just thhat you are destined to live and die thwarted
dave: I think it shows that to succeed you need to focus your
efforts beyond a regular 9 to 5. Dilbert regularly cobbles together inventions of
stupendous creativity, but Dogbert markets them and steals the profits
anna: I may cry.
dave: Whyever would you do that? I thought you were doing a
particularly good job of arguing your side
anna: well, thank you ever so much.
I just feel sad that you feel so comfortable with the ugly truth of capitalism.
dave:I am at least aware of the truth, I just chose not to do anything about it. In that respect I am more Wally than Dilbert
anna: you’re more wally than anything, in that case, in my opinion.
anna: who’s wally?
dave: the one who was chewing ice cubes to annoy Alice
anna: I din look
dave: all this arguing and you didn’t even read the strip?!
anna:i seen it before!
dave: this is today’s strip, how can you have seen it before?
anna: well, i’ve seen dilbert before and he never changes. You said that
dave: No, I said he exists within a timeless limbo and doesn’t progress. I didn’t say its the same strip every day
anna: yeah, well, it is, pretty much.
dave: how would you support that argument?
anna: frame one: worker has poo life. frame two; hope glimmers. Frame three; hope fades, worker trapped.
dave: I have three strips in front of me from the desktop calendar, that format only applies to one of them
anna: well, that wasn’t a bad estimate then.
dave: that still leaves 2/3rds of Dilbert to be unaccountable for
anna: yes.
anna: well.
anna: i suppose, dave, i’ll just learn. When i finally understand that that is how my life is destined to be, and unavoidably so - then i’ll find it very funny.
anna: probably